The Other Side of Morgellons

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My Morgellons Routine: Bathing, Post # 4

If you have not read the prior posts in this series please go to the introduction. From there it will take you through the three posts in this series that come before this one. It important that you read the introduction because there I give an explanation as to what this series is and also that’s where I say that none of this is medical advice and all that. It also has links to take you through the posts that lead to this one. It’s an easier easy to get through the posts in order too. Click here to get to the intro: https://livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/introduction-my-morgellons-routine/

As I continue on this series of posts, I am now going to write about what I do for bathing. I just want to be sure that anyone reading this knows that I am well aware that Morgellons is not just a skin disease. I did very much to recover my health and most of it involved diet, immune support, detoxing, and lowering of my infections with both pharmaceuticals and plant-based medicines. I did a lot in the past to get to this point where I keep a routine up to maintain my health.

My skin care was a lot more involved earlier in my illness.

These days I bathe once a day. I run about six inches of water in my tub and add a half cup of borax and or several cups of baking soda. I don’t touch water without something in it like salt, Epsom salt, borax or baking soda. The first thing I do is brush my hair in the tub. I have long hair and I just like brushing it out in there. My hair is nice and thick again but when I was very sick I did lose a lot of hair and had little bald areas where I once had lesions. It has all grown back in now.

I usually use liquid Miracle soap because I like the fact that it is natural. Denorex extra strength with salicylic acid and menthol is not as natural as I like but it really works. Especially if you are at that stage where you have a film or plaque like feel to your skin. The other shampoo I use on and off is Head and Shoulders. I have found the generic to be just the same as the name brand. In the early days I did a lot of bathing so it payed to buy the biggest bottle of the generic.

I also like a good old-fashioned bar of hard milled real soap. I alternate between the above soaps and shampoos and wash my hair and body with all of them. I don’t like Dr Bronners liquid soap because if I add something alkaline to my bath it tends to cause the Bronners soap to saponify further leaving a residue. I don’t think it is great soap and I don’t use it at all anymore. It’s watery and cheap feeling to me. It’s not inexpensive either! I am not a cheap person but it has to work if I pay for it. I also want to point out that part of my whole routine, like buying borax in bulk, making my own laundry soap and household cleaner is very inexpensive. I do this because the stuff I make works better, it isn’t stinky and fake and I also save a huge amount of money. That saved money helps pay for the other parts of my routine, like my probiotics, enzymes and my other supplements. That laundry soap recipe I listed a recipe for is non toxic, it works and it is about 25 cents a load (if that even!) and the enzyme cleaner is practically free.

Ok, back to my bath routine.

Which ever soap or shampoo I am using I will put some on a soft bristol hair brush (the kind old men use) and scrub in circular motions and always towards my heart. From my left foot, up my leg and to my heart and then again from my right foot up and to my heart. I do the same for my arms starting at the tips of my fingers. In the past I had such trouble and pain in my hands that I always give extra attention and circular scrubbing to my hands. The same for my feet! Also on my feet I use a metal foot polisher. It keeps my feet soft and smooth. In the past my feet were a mess. I also like to put a bit of lavender and or tea tree in my bath. In the early days I had to use much more of all of this stuff. I needed much more borax and salts in my bath. I did notice though that if I took my supplements about 20 minutes before my bath and loaded up with the afore-mentioned items that when I got out, if I massaged coconut oil into my skin and then a layer of olive oil, I could really get a lot of build up out of my skin. It seemed to almost feel like I was wearing it down. Those very strong baths I had to keep up for months. I am not saying anyone else should do this or that it will necessarily help you. I am only saying what I did and what helped me. I would also like to say that the baths helped me get through some really difficult physical pain. After a good hot strong bath I could feel a little lighter and got a little break from my stiff and sore body. It helped reduce inflammation and also really helped to take the edge of that horrible sick weak feeling I had. When I just couldn’t take it anymore, I mean when I felt I was sick as I could be, I would load that bath up with salts and or borax and gently wash and massage my skin. Often I would have to nearly crawl to the tub and summon all my strength to do it, but I was always happy afterwards that I did it.

I know I said I was going to write only about my current routine but as I think of those past days and how very sick I was, I can’t help but remember how the baths saved me. I continued them after my skin cleared and they just made me feel better and better. I am sure that the sweating and the salts and baking soda helped to draw something out of me. I also liked and still do add ginger powder to my bath once in a while. It really makes me sweat. I would step right out of the hot ginger bath right into a sheet then go under the covers and I would continue to sweat. Once, after one of those strong baking soda and ginger bath I was able to massage a lot of black tar looking stuff out of my knuckles. I was actually shocked because as I did that the swelling went down on my hands. The amount of swelling that went down was so much so that a ring I always wore in a certain finger was then too big. After that day that I rubbed that stuff out of my knuckles the swelling never came back in my hands. I kind of want to cry when I think about it because it was such a dramatic and massive relief. My hands were so swollen I often could not use them. Sometimes I could not even feel what I was trying to pick up.

In the past when my skin was horrible and I was working hard to get the stuff out of my skin I had to use a lot of fresh lemon juice mixed with liquid soap and baking soda. I had to wash my face many times a day sometimes and massage it for hours with oils to get the build up out. If you have a bio film problem or trying to get the smoothness back to your skin, you might want to try toning with Mulkosan (lactic acid and whey). You can dilute it with half water. Misting it on your skin also works. It did sting my skin. At first it will felt a little tight and red but as I massaged oils into my skin the Morgellons “stuff” slowly cracked away and out. I had to keep that up for months and months. Also, drinking Mulkosan helped to get my GI back on track (a big part of caring for your skin is caring for your insides..which I will talk more about later).

I would really like to emphasis that all this bathing was coupled with internal care with a strong emphasis on immune support but also anti-microbials, detox strategies and diet. I will elaborate as much as I can on some of those things as this series of posts progresses. Again I have to say that this is just what I did. My recovery happened over months and months that turned into several years. I was very dedicated and worked hard. Diet was and is very important for me.

But this post is about bathing so I will get into the other stuff in the coming posts. After bathing I dry off very well and smooth coconut oil on my face and even in my eyes, nose and ears. I love that stuff. After that I will smooth a few drops of olive oil on my face as well. In the early days I smoothed a generous amount of coconut oil from head to toe and then after that olive oil. This was at times one of the most gratifying parts because after that strong bath (and remember I took my supplements 20 minutes before I got into the bath), I could rub those oils in and the hard stuff in my skin would crack out. Sometimes there was a goo on my skin, mostly on my face. It was so sticky it caught in the little peach fuzz hairs on my skin. Sometimes after rubbing the oil, I had to wash my skin again with liquid soap, lemon and baking soda to try and dissolve it. Then I would go back and massage another layer of coconut oil and olive oil in and it would crackle out. It would break up like little tiny pieces of sand on my skin. My god, those were weird and horrible times. Oh and my nose. I really don’t want to think about the amount of stuff that came out of my nose. Ok, I will just tell you..this might be happening to you anyway and you will understand. There was such a build up in my sinuses and it would get so hard that the bath would loosen it just enough that I could cup my hands to my nose and blow hard..the stuff came out like a projectile. Sometime these chunks of stuff were as big as a giant pee or a half of marble. This is no exaggeration. That stuff that came out used to be full of fibers..red, blue, and black mostly, sometimes other colors but not very often. In that stuff that came out of my nose were also some of the stranger “shapes”. I am sorry I did not mean to gross you out, I am just giving an honest account of my experience. I will say that after the baths loosened the stuff in my sinuses and I was able to get it out, after wards I felt a kind of relief that I can hardly say how wonderful it was. It took a long time until my sinuses cleared. I am very thankful that nightmare is over.

After bating these days I don’t always put the coconut and or olive oil all over..but I always do on my face as that was my last hardest place to clear from. Also it is my face so I do want to give it a little extra care. Another thing I do after bathing is rub magnesium oil into my lower back, stomach and thighs. I buy the big bags of flakes add water and some drops of lavender oil and make it myself. This is the way I get my magnesium and it is one less thing I have to take as a pill. Oh, I also put a little under my arms as a natural  deodorant. The magnesium oil also takes the edge off body pain, it also seems to comfort me and calm my nerves. Magnesium is good stuff for me.

I also use that multi purpose  vinegar, enzyme and borax spray I talked about earlier. I give my body a little mist. I also am in the habit of spraying a lot on my feet. After that I sprinkle a pretty good layer of baking soda on my feet and put my socks on over that. This makes me laugh a little that I still do this. I had a lot of problems with my feet before. The soles had this thick goop on them and I had hard patches and horrible problems with my toe nails. The baking soda smoothed my feet out. It took a while though. I still do it..I guess it’s just habit. All this I do is habit. I really suffered a lot when I was sick and a lot of this stuff I think I do just to have a secure feeling. It is true that I have made an amazing recovery but mostly I would say it was from my diet, immune support and supplements. I keep sprinkling my feet and doing my little tricks here and there just in case. Well, I think I covered my past and current bath routine. Oh wait, I wash my face with a mixture of baking soda and vitamin C powder now. I mix it 1:1 and put it in a little plastic tub  with a good lid. I keep that at the side of the tub. I buy the vitamin C powder in a big tub because I use it in my supplementation routine. On that note I am going to finish up this post and the next post I will cover what I do for supplements (I will probably get that post up tomorrow). Thank you for reading, best, Tina

Here is a video I did almost two years ago. I was still sick then but I was definitely on the mend. My apologies for not being very fluid in my speech.  Morgellons caused me to have many cognitive issues. I was a little surprised looking back at this video.  I have come so far and it is good to revisit those scattered days to appreciate how much better I am now. In this video my lesions had healed but I still had a long way to go to get my skin clear and also just to heal in general. I don’t do a lot of stuff I talk about in this video but I thought It might be helpful for those of you that are still working to clear your skin.  I hope you all are well tonight and you are in my prayers. T

Link to next in this series “My morgellons Routine: Supplemenataion Post # 5:

https://livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/my-morgellons-routine-supplementation-post-5/

My Morgellons Routine: A Quick Clarification on Cleaning, Post # 3

Before I go into my regular bathing routine I want to do a little catch up and clarification on the subject of cleaning. It has occurred to me that because the first part of this series has so far only addressed a couple of cleaning issues one might think that I consider these points a priority. This is not true. I have never at any point been one to go over the top cleaning. The only time I really went crazy cleaning was when I had to stay in a temporary studio when I returned to Los Angeles to undergo my Lyme treatment. It was a filthy 100 plus year old building. It was six floors of humans, dogs, cats, mice, roaches, bedbugs and other various insects including flies, fleas and mosquitos. It was not well maintained (to say the least). The building was what I considered to be a bio hazard. It was disgusting but they took dogs and they allowed for a month to month lease and It did have a certain brown stone building charm. It was disgusting.

If you live in a home or building like that, I would say YES, you might want to try and clean or move. I know this is not possible for everyone. If you are a super slob with piles of junk everywhere I would say it might be a good idea to clean up your act. I have found a little organization makes everything in life much easier. I do understand that the nature of Morgellons makes it difficult for the Morgellons sufferer to keep things together (I was there).

I do (and will always) keep my sleeping area as clean as possible. I also like my bathroom to be clean. Other than that I am a half slob.  In my regular life you can easily find me covered in dirt, grease, food, paint or some other something from the many projects I like to do.

In my past and current life cleaning is about the last thing I will be wasting my energy on. I hate cleaning. It is the most boring, monotonous and uncreative thing that humans are cursed to do. Thats why I have some simple things I do. For those that clean from morning to night, I am only just glad I have better hobbies than them. In my mind, things like white carpet and pristine homes are just disasters asking to happen. Awk!  Ahhh….but to each his own

It seems that those that have tried the insane cleaning routine don’t seem to be able to report any kind of increased wellness. Mostly I hear them say they just became exhausted.

Something that has always been clear to me is that the itch and what ails me is coming from me.

I will tell you that most of my itch came from fibers in my skin. I know this because when I had that unrelenting itch, I looked at that specific area with a scope and found fibers there. I am not saying that there are not insects involved. I do know that bugs love me and they always have. This is the reason I keep my sleeping area very fresh and clean. I do not want to be dealing with dust mites. I don’t want to flip anyone out but do know this, bugs are everywhere (even on you). This is a fact of life.

To be clear, I keep my sleeping area clean because I spend a minimum of 8 hours of my life there every day. I also have a four footed shadow friend (my dog), so I keep my sleeping area as clean as possible. That’s just me, it is probably different for you. I just wanted to clear that up.

As far as “Nothing makes it out of my laundry alive”, I am more referring to dust mites and MOLD spores, which quite possibly, terrify me more than Morgellons and definitely more than Lyme. I still believe that it was my exposure to mold that brought my immunity down to a point that I became as sick as I did. Not everyone is mold intolerant or was exposed to mold so you will not be the same as me in the needs of your environmental routine.

While on the subject of mold I should say that because a tree fell on my house (literally) while it was empty some years ago, there was a temporary dampness problem here. Like I said, That concerns me. Mold is extremely toxic and because I had a past bad experience with it, I will not take mold lightly. That is the main reason I mist and clean my house with the cleaner I make (all three ingredients kill mold). I don’t have fibers in my house and believe me I have looked. I don’t even have fibers on me anymore.

I only wanted to be understood on that point in regards to how, what and why I clean.

I know I said I was going to be clear and simple in this series of “My Morgellons Routine” and I intend to be. I just started to get the idea that people might think I am some kind of clean freak or think I am trying to “kill” Morgellons in my environment, because I talked about laundry and the spray cleaner first. It is actually what I consider the LEAST IMPORTANT part of what healed me from Morgellons. I wrote about my laundry routine and cleaning first because I happened to be mixing up and restocking that area of my routine. In later posts I will be clear to say what parts I feel helped me the most and I promise you, it was not cleaning my house.

Thank you for letting me blab on there…OK…sigh….smile….as I gather my thoughts…

Morgellons is complicated and in sharing information there is a danger that some people will take what I say wrong or assume that what I do for myself will make them better. I do not want that to happen. We are all own selves, with our own lives and bodies and how and where we live are as unique and different from each other as the snow flakes are.

No one person experiences any illness the same as another, not even the flu treats people the same. This is why I am always clear to say that this is my routine. With any illness and especially something as complex as Morgellons or Lyme, I find it a mystery that anyone could think they have a protocol that works for everyone. The very word protocol makes me laugh. Protocol? It is a funny sounding word. When someone asks me my protocol I am always a little dumbfounded. I will never be some kind of arrogant person that thinks I have the answers that will help or repair anyone in their extraordinary, unique and mind blowing existence on this planet.

Still it is true that there are some basic and similar things that many of us that suffer from Morgellons have found helpful. There are also some safe, sound, tried and true strategies that help all humans to keep good health. When we share our stories and our lives, others can observe and try and adapt parts that can fit into their individual life.

For anyone that hasn’t read the posts before this one, please click here to start at the introduction. The posts are numbered for clarity after that: https://livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/introduction-my-morgellons-routine/

Next post up is “My Morgellons Routine: Bathing Post # 4”.

https://livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2012/12/01/my-morgellons-routine-bathing-post-4/

My Morgellons Routine: The Multi Purpose Spray Everything Cleaner post #2

The post after this one (#3) will be my bathing routine but I first wanted to put this spray recipe up as it is also a part of my bathing routine. This all purpose spray cleaner is a part of just about everything I do in my home in regards to cleaning.

I mix it myself and it I use it for everything. It is very inexpensive and simple to mix. I will get a little more into what I do with it but I first want to tell you how I make it.

The ingredients are:

2 Cups white vinegar

2 Cups enzymes (will give more info below)

One Tablespoon borax

Mix the above ingredients up in a plastic pitcher that has a pour spout. This makes about 24 ounces (which is about one standard sprayer full). I use any old sprayer and I make a bunch at one time and refill all my sprayers. I keep one on the kitchen counter, one in the bathroom and one in my bedroom. You might consider keeping one in your car as well.

This is the only cleaner I use and it keeps things really simple. I clean the bathroom, kitchen and floors with this. I mist my bed and pillow with this. I mist the air and cracks and crevices with it. It works, It is inexpensive and it is non toxic. I actually spend very little on my cleaning supplies (giving me more of a budget for my supplements etc).

This all purpose spray does it all for me. I even use it on myself and my dog. After walks I use it to get the mud off my dogs feet. Sometimes I will put a few squirts on a paper towel and give him a quick wipe down to pull extra hair off and just polish him up. This is also great to spray in pet areas.

If you have itchy skin this might help, it did help me with my past itchy bouts. Also you can use this to add to your laundry if you wash on cold (heat kills enzymes).

I can not say enough about enzymes. They are my favorite way to clean. I make my own and it is basically free because I use leftover fruit peels. Link here for directions: https://livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2012/08/02/fruit-enzymes-2/

If you don’t want to make your own enzymes you can easily purchase them. I am going to give a link to Morgellons Aid (which had all kinds of excellent Morgellons relevant information). There he has such an excellent post up about enzymes that I see no reason to repeat what he has done so well. The link I am providing goes to a page where he tells you all about enzymes, the brands, and links to get them. He also provides a great recipe and tips. Link here: http://morgellonsaid.wordpress.com/topical-treatments-2/enzymes-skin/

While over there at Morgellons Aid you will find a lot of great easy to use information. I really like his site a lot.

So there you have it. A simple recipe for one cleaner that does it all. In the post to follow you will see that I use it for a lot as I go through all the little sections of my Morgellons routine.

Best to you, Tina (link to the next post in this series below)

https://livingwithmorgellons.wordpress.com/2012/11/30/my-morgellons-routine-a-quick-clarification-on-cleaning-post-3-2/

Home Made Fruit Enzyme Recipe. Very Simple Too!

Ok this is an updated and “with added information version” of this post. Sorry about the huge amount of typos in the previous post (i was so sleepy last night).  Do go down and read the bottom part of this post as I added in a lot of info. Mostly rambling questions and thought’s  but still I think helpful. Also I would like to say I do believe enzymes are an important part of recovering from morgellons.  I will tell more about my recovery and how I used enzymes in another post.

Fruit enzyme’s:

You guys want to get some eco enzymes going, aka garbage enzymes, also known as fruit enzyme drink? I really tried to get the straight story on “garbage enzyme’s”. As far as I can see this is a fermenting process. I guess somewhere in the mix of microbes there will be some enzymes.  Like I said I really tried hard to find out what exactly happens and what you end up with after you mix your kitchen scraps with brown sugar (or raw honey) and water. Exact info was hard to come by. I do know for a fact though that the end product is a phenomenal cleaner. This much I have seen in action with my own eyes ( a friend of mine makes this stuff).  A quick search around the net and you will see people are using this stuff for just about everything from house hold cleaning to the garden.

The basic recipe is:

10 parts water

3 parts fruit

1 part brown sugar, or honey or molasses

After you make this stuff it has to ferment for 3 months.  After searching and reading I have found that by adding about a teaspoon of yeast the process speeds up to just two weeks. So I went for the added yeast version and sure enough the stuff is bubbling away in the back room. I skipped the brown sugar becasue I think it is junk.  I made various batches using different fruits, raw honey and black treacle (which is as far as I can tell molasses). The last batch I made I took pictures all the way through so I could post a super basic recipe with visual aide. I don’t think anyone can screw this up.  The measurements do not have to be exactly to the drop accurate. What I started with was:

A five liter jug of water

450 grams (2 cups) raw honey

1 grapefruit

1 orange

1 tangerine

1 lemon

1 lime

The first thing you want to do is wash your fruit really well if it is not organic. Even if it’s not organic, wash it well (see Sharon’s comment below) thanks Sharon! Put the fruit in a big bowl or in the sink adding baking soda and vinegar and water.  Weight it with a wooden chopping board or similar because the fruit floats and you want it down under the water.  Let that soak for 2 hours or so. Rinse very well.

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Next get a five liter jug. you want the water to go just above the half way point. The water needs to be clean with out chlorine or fluoride. We are trying to cultivate, not kill here.

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Next I took a 450 gram jar (or 2 cups) of raw honey and spooned that in. to get all the honey out of jar, I poured about a half cup of hot water in the jar and swirled it around and poured that in too.

Next slice your grapefruit, orange, lemon and lime in half and squeeze the juice out into a separate pitcher. This won’t be added to your fruit enzyme concoction so you can put that on ice and drink it.

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Next take the citrus peels and turn them skin down (so they don’t slip around), curl your fingers (so you don’t chop them off) and slice into little thin strips.

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I like the strips because they break down easily  and you can slide them right into the opening on top of the jug.  You can use any fruit or veg scrap. If you are using the 5 liter jug and the 450 gram jar of honey then the peel of 1 grapefruit, 1 orange, 1 lemon, 1 lime and 1 tangerine equals the 3 parts fruit you will need. If you have other fruit you want to use just make sure it is 3 parts. You can use the honey jar to measure (3 X’s..easy!) Citrus peels are especially nice smelling.  I have a batch going where I only used citrus peels. In another I mixed citrus peels and pineapple peels.

After you get the 3 parts fruit in there you are almost done. At this point I added 1 teaspoon yeast. This speeds the ferment time up to just 2 weeks. I have others fermenting where I tried it without yeast. Those will have to ferment for 3 months.

Whether you are adding yeast or not cap your mix and give it an up down mix. You know a gentle shake. Then every couple of days because you don’t want your jug to explode. What I did was not tighten the caps completely and each day in the beginning I tighten the cap and turn it upside down to mix and submerge the fruit. This wards off mold growth. I have read that the mold does not affect your product and can be skimmed off. That one is up to you! Personally I run screaming at the slightest evidence of mold anywhere. I had a bad run in with mold in the past (I am literally and figuratively scarred for life). Alternatively you can put a balloon on it or a plastic bag secured with a rubber band around the opening. You need it covered so you don’t attract bugs and such but you need room for expansion.  I do  have a batch going where I used a wine bottle, baggie and rubber band. I used glass because I want to experiment with drinking it. Some asian ladies I know swear by this stuff as a healthful beverage and I tend to believe it because it is similar to rechsregulat. I took the Rechregulat for 2 months with phenomenal results. Oh and here is the giant big bonus round of information. You should try this out for bathing and skin spritzing.  I can’t  make any promises but from what I have heard..it’s good! I will tell you when mine is ready.

Some thoughts: People are reporting that this stuff is an excellent  cleanser. They are washing their  clothes with it and also using it on their body and in the garden as fertilizer. In all of these applications they dilute it. Many blogs and websites tell the appropriate  water to enzyme ratios for various applications. my advice is try different dilutions and use what works best for you. Also remember if you want to use this in your bath do not make the bath hot.  It will kill the incredible enzymes in there. Heat kills them.

If  this stuff is as awesome as everyone says it could be a good deal for the morgellons sufferer. It’s inexpensive and simple to make. You can clean most anything with out toxins  (including yourself). If you make the fruit and honey version then it is drinkable..well that’s what they say.

I am not suggesting anyone drink this. I am saying I am going to try it out and tell you what happens.  It’s just fermented vegetable matter which is BTW very good for us.

I hope a few of you will get batches going and we can all start this together and see if it really does do all that they say. Also if anyone has any suggestions or info please share.  Be sure to write the date on your jug so you will know when it is ready. Real soon here I will be trying some of my batches for various jobs and I will report what I find.

HERE’S WHERE THE ADDED PART STARTS:

Update”s,  Addition”s,  Thought’s and Question’s:

* At the end of the fermenting process you will strain off the liquid and dilute before use.

*The “sludge” is rich in cultures and can be used for another fermenting project. It should act as a good base  as it is rich in cultures. I have read that some dry out this “sludge” and use it as a fertilizer.  As I refine my fermenting skills I will continue to update my findings or disasters (hopefully there will be fewer of the latter).

* Fruit is probably the better choice as many report veg scraps make a foul-smelling product.

* Oh but here is an interesting thought!  I wonder if I were to ferment herbs if I would end up with a product that was rich in the original healing attribute of the herb? Like oregano..would my fermented product be even extra anti fungal (vinegar already is). Or if I used cilantro would my fermented beverage be an excellent mercury chelator? wow I am thinking of some killer lethal combo’s. This definitely deserves some time,  attention and experimentation.

* This fermentation process seems to be vinegar. R2ight?

* It seems to me that this process is first a fruit wine, beer or mead,  as the yeast (wild or added ) eats the sugar content which turns to alcohol. Further fermenting turns the alcohol into acetic acid (which is vinegar..right?) I did make some with pineapple and that does have bromelian  in it which is a fine enzyme for digestion.

* Speaking of digestion, I have seen dragon fruit enzyme health drink recipes on the web. Does dragon fruit have a high enzyme content? it must and i will check it out.

* oh how i would love to get my hands on a load of  mexican  papaya’s.  i wonder if i could find one in Belfast? I am thinking papaya because of the lovely  enzymes’ they are packed with.  If I used papaya skin and seed’s and fermented in the garbage enzyme process would I end  up with essentially a high enzyme papaya vinegar?  seems like it!

* Another thought. if I used  a variety  of high enzyme fruits in a fermented concoction and also added yeast (to not have to rely on wild yeast on fruit skin). Does this first give me a multiple enzyme, fruit wine then as the alcohol converts to acetic acid I have multiple variety fruit enzyme vinegar?  Would it also be ready pronto because of the added yeast?  How is the finished product different in regards to adding yeast or relying on wild yeast (besides the added yeast speeding the process way up)?  Somehow “wild yeast” sounds so much “wilder” and therefore much more lovely.  Maybe if I add just a wee bit of yeast I will end up with a “feral”  vinegar?

*  Wait!   “IS THAT GOING TO ATTRACT FREAKING BUGS?”. Because that would really piss me off.  vVnegar is a known insect attractor!

*Wait wait wait wait.! If the bugs are attracted to vinegar would the acid in it kill them? I know the enzymes will kill them. If you have an enzyme rich vinegar, well that sounds like a deadly insect trap to me?

* Also I have read many accounts that when one uses the garbage enzyme to clean the ants won’t go there.

* I still don’t know exactly what I am ending up with. in the book “Wild Fermentation”  (by Sandor Katz) it says  “some ferments have been shown to function as antioxidants, scavenging cancer precursors known as “free radical’s” from the cells of your body.. lactobacilli create omega-3 fatty acids, essential for cell membrane and immune function. a marketer of “cultured food supplements” boasts that “the culturing process generates copious amounts of naturally occurring ingredients like super oxide dismustase, gtf chromium, detoxifying compounds like glutathione, phospholipids, digestive enzymes, and beta 1,3 glucans”   he also goes on to write ‘frankly, nutritional factoids like this make my eyes  glaze over. you don’t really need chemical analysis to tell you what foods are healthy. trust your instincts and your tastes buds. the data adds up to this: fermentation makes food more nutritious.”

*All this sound great Tina but you still don’t know what you are ending up with. Plus you think too much.

* Ya but I do know it’s vinegar. That’s basic chemistry. Plus i can smell it!  Also if the fruit has enzymes wouldn’t they still be in the brew at the end?  And also you know what I tell people who tell me I think too much, I tell them they don’t think enough. So shut up.

* Did you seriously just tell me to shut up?

* Yes.

* Seriously, are you arguing with yourself?

* Yes.

* I’m outta here.

*Me too!